Tuesday, May 19, 2026

How to start an argument

 

 

One of the first rules I learned when I joined Toastmasters International in the 1980’s was to try to avoid discussing religion or politics.

The reason is simple.

Nobody’s opinion is wrong.




It is simply their opinion.

It may not be based on facts, but there is always SOME reason why a person thinks the way they do.

There is no end to which topics we can disagree one, but let’s keep it simple and just pick one.

How about if we tried to determine who are best president is/was.

There have been numerous studies done to determine the proper ranking, but they do not always measure the same thing.

Here is where it gets complicated:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_presidents_of_the_United_States

In political studies, since the mid-20th-century, surveys have been conducted in order to construct historical rankings of the success of the presidents of the United States. Ranking systems are usually based on surveys of academic historians and political scientists, or popular opinion. The scholarly rankings focus on presidential achievements, leadership qualities, failures, and faults. Among such scholarly rankings, Abraham Lincoln is most often ranked as the best, while his predecessor James Buchanan is most often ranked as the worst. Popular-opinion polls typically focus on recent or well-known presidents.

A 1948 poll was conducted by historian Arthur M. Schlesinger Sr. of Harvard University. A 1962 survey was also conducted by Schlesinger, who surveyed 75 historians. Schlesinger's son, Arthur M. Schlesinger Jr., conducted another poll in 1996. The Chicago Tribune surveyed 49 historians in 1982.

The Siena College Research Institute (SCRI) began conducting surveys in 1982 and continued in 1990, 1994, 2002, 20102018, and 2022 during the second year of the first term of each president since Ronald Reagan These surveys collect presidential rankings from historians, political scientists, and presidential scholars in a range of attributes, abilities, and accomplishments.[9] The 1994 survey placed only two presidents (Abraham Lincoln and Franklin D. Roosevelt) above 80 points and two presidents (Andrew Johnson and Warren G. Harding) below 50 points.

In 1996, William J. Ridings Jr. and Stuart B. McIver conducted and published a poll and in 1997, an accompanying book on the poll results. 719 people took part in the poll, primarily academic historians and political scientists, although some politicians and celebrities also took part. Participants from every state were included and emphasis was placed upon getting input from female historians and "specialists in African American studies" as well as a few non-American historians. Poll respondents rated the presidents in five categories (leadership qualities, accomplishments, crisis management, political skill, appointments, and character and integrity) and the results were tabulated to create the overall ranking.

2000–2017

A 2005 presidential poll was conducted by James Lindgren for the Federalist Society and The Wall Street Journal. As in the 2000 survey, the editors sought to balance the opinions of liberals and conservatives, adjusting the results "to give Democratic- and Republican-leaning scholars equal weight". Although Franklin D. Roosevelt still ranked in the top three, editor James Taranto observed that Democratic-leaning scholars rated George W. Bush the sixth-worst president of all time while Republican scholars rated him the sixth-best, giving him a split-decision rating of "average" In 2008, The Times daily newspaper of London asked eight of its own "top international and political commentators" to rank all 42 presidents "in order of greatness".

The C-SPAN Survey of Presidential Leadership consists of rankings from a group of presidential historians and biographers. The C-SPAN Survey of Presidential Leadership has taken place four times: in 2000, 2009,[2017, and 2021. The 2021 survey was of 142 presidential historians, surveyed by C-SPAN's Academic Advisor Team, made up of Douglas G. BrinkleyEdna Greene MedfordRichard Norton Smith, and Amity Shlaes. In the survey, each historian rates each president on a scale of one ("not effective") to 10 ("very effective") on presidential leadership in ten categories: Public Persuasion, Crisis Leadership, Economic Management, Moral Authority, International Relations, Administrative Skills, Relations with Congress, Vision/Setting An Agenda, Pursued Equal Justice for All, and Performance Within the Context of His Times—with each category equally weighed The results of all four C-SPAN surveys have been fairly consistent. Abraham Lincoln has taken the highest ranking in each survey and George Washington, Franklin D. Roosevelt, and Theodore Roosevelt have always ranked in the top five while James Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, and Franklin Pierce have been ranked at the bottom of all four surveys.

The 2011 survey, the first poll asking UK academics to rate American presidents, was conducted by the United States Presidency Centre (USPC) at the Institute for the Study of the Americas (located in the University of London's School of Advanced Study). This polled the opinion of British specialists in American history and politics to assess presidential performance. They also gave an interim assessment of Barack Obama, but his unfinished presidency was not included in the survey (had he been included, he would have attained eighth place overall).

In 2012, Newsweek asked a panel of historians to rank the ten best presidents since 1900. The results showed that historians had ranked Franklin D. Roosevelt, Theodore Roosevelt, Lyndon B. JohnsonWoodrow WilsonHarry S. TrumanJohn F. KennedyDwight D. EisenhowerBill Clinton, Ronald Reagan, and Obama as the best since that year. A 2015 poll administered by the American Political Science Association (APSA) among political scientists specializing in the American presidency had Abraham Lincoln in the top spot, with Washington, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Theodore Roosevelt, Thomas Jefferson, Truman, Eisenhower, Clinton, Andrew Jackson, and Wilson making the top 10. 2016 survey of 71 British specialists by the Presidential History Network produced similar results to the 2011 USPC survey, with Obama placed in the top quartile.

Since 2018

A second Presidential Greatness Project Expert Survey was sent to members of the Presidents and Executive Politics section of the APSA in 2018. It ranked Donald Trump for the first time, putting him in the last position. In the 2024 edition, Trump scored 10.92 out of 100, easily the worst, while self-identified Republican historians rated Trump in the bottom five. The study organizers observed a drop in recent Republican presidents' scores by speculating that respondents valued presidents that respected political and institutional norms. The first version of this poll was conducted in 2015

The 2018 Siena poll of 157 presidential scholars reported George Washington, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Abraham Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt, and Thomas Jefferson as the top five U.S. presidents, with SCRI director Don Levy stating, "The top five, Mount Rushmore plus FDR, is carved in granite with presidential historians."[9] Trump—entering the SCRI survey for the first time—joined Andrew Johnson and James Buchanan among the bottom three U.S. presidents. George W. Bush, whom presidential scholars had rated fifth lowest in the previous 2010 survey, improved in position to 12th lowest. The 2022 Siena poll had Franklin D. Roosevelt first, Lincoln second, and Washington third, with the bottom three as Trump, Buchanan, and Johnson.

The 2021 C-SPAN poll showed a continued recent rehabilitation of Ulysses S. Grant, showed George W. Bush improving, Barack Obama remaining high, and Trump with the fourth lowest ranking. After Trump's election to a non-consecutive second term, C-SPAN postponed its planned 2025 survey, explaining that "with a former president returning to office, conducting the survey now would turn it from historical analysis to punditry.

Scholar survey summary

 

2010 Siena College

Abbreviations

Bg = Background

PL = Party leadership

CAb = Communication ability

RC = Relations with Congress

CAp = Court appointments

HE = Handling of economy

L = Luck

AC = Ability to compromise

WR = Willing to take risks

EAp = Executive appointments

OA = Overall ability

Im = Imagination

DA = Domestic accomplishments

Int = Integrity

EAb = Executive ability

FPA = Foreign policy accomplishments

LA = Leadership ability

IQ = Intelligence

AM = Avoiding crucial mistakes

EV = Experts' view

O = Overall

 

2011 USPC

In September/October 2010, the United States Presidency Centre (USPC) of the Institute for the Study of the Americas at the University of London surveyed 47 British specialists on American history and politics. Presidents were rated from 1 to 10 in five categories:

1.     Vision/agenda-setting: "did the president have the clarity of vision to establish overarching goals for his administration and shape the terms of policy discourse?"

2.    Domestic leadership: "did the president display the political skill needed to achieve his domestic objectives and respond effectively to unforeseen developments?"

Foreign policy leadership: "was the president an effective leader in In 2016, the Presidential History Network surveyed 71 named British and Irish specialists. The questions were the same as in the USPC survey, which was directed by some of the same people. Some respondents did not rate presidents that they were not familiar with. The minimum number of responses (62) were for the rather obscure and inconsequential presidents Rutherford B. Hayes, Chester A. Arthur, Grover Cleveland, and Benjamin Harrison. 69–70 rated all recent presidents, from Franklin D. Roosevelt on.

Abbreviations

 

VSA = Vision/Setting an agenda

DL = Domestic leadership

FPL = Foreign-policy leadership

MA = Moral authority

HL = Historical legacy (positive significance of)

O = Overall

3.    promoting US foreign policy interests and national security?"

4.    Moral authority: "did the president uphold the moral authority of his office through his character, values, and conduct?"

5.    Positive historical significance of legacy: "did the president's legacy have positive benefits for America's development over time?"

 

2017 C-SPAN

Abbreviations

PP = Public persuasion

CL = Crisis leadership

EM = Economic management

MA = Moral authority

IR = International relations

AS = Administrative skills

RC = Relations with Congress

VSA = Vision/Setting an agenda

PEJ = Pursued equal justice for all

PCT = Performance within context of times

O = Overall

2018 Siena College

On February 13, 2019, Siena released its sixth presidential poll. The poll was initiated in 1982 and occurs one year into the term of each new president. It is currently a survey of 157 presidential scholars across a range of leadership parameters. The ranking awarded the top five spots to George Washington, Franklin Roosevelt, Abraham Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt, and Thomas Jefferson, in keeping with prior surveys. Washington had been ranked fourth in all previous surveys, and Franklin Roosevelt first.

Note

·         The numbers below do not match the source where there are ties in the rankings. They have instead been counted as ties are in other polls (e.g. 26, 27, 27, 27, 30 rather than 26, 27, 27, 27, 28), so that all categories span the range 1–44.

Abbreviations

Bg = Background

Im = Imagination

Int = Integrity

IQ = Intelligence

L = Luck

WR = Willing to take risks

AC = Ability to compromise

EAb = Executive ability

LA = Leadership ability

CAb = Communication ability

OA = Overall ability

PL = Party leadership

RC = Relations with Congress

CAp = Court appointments

HE = Handling of economy

EAp = Executive appointments

DA = Domestic accomplishments

FPA = Foreign policy accomplishments

AM = Avoiding crucial mistakes

EV = Experts' view

O = Overall

2021 C-SPAN

Abbreviations

PP = Public persuasion

CL = Crisis leadership

EM = Economic management

MA = Moral authority

IR = International relations

AS = Administrative skills

RC = Relations with Congress

VSA = Vision/Setting an agenda

PEJ = Pursued equal justice for all

PCT = Performance within context of times

O = Overall

2022 Siena College

The Siena College Research Institute released their seventh poll results on June 22, 2022. The best 10% and worst 10% remain unchanged from their 2018 poll (top five: F. D. Roosevelt, Lincoln, Washington, T. Roosevelt, Jefferson; bottom five: A. Johnson, Buchanan, Trump, Harding, Pierce). 41% of the scholars polled said that if a president were to be added to Mount Rushmore, it should be FDR. 63% believed that the president should be elected by a national popular vote; whereas, 17% supported the Electoral College

A year into his term, Joe Biden entered the ranking in the second quartile, at nineteenth place out of 45. Among recent presidents, George H. W. Bush, Bill Clinton, and Barack Obama moved up in the rankings, while George W. Bush and Donald Trump moved down, though part of the downward shift was due to the addition of a new president to the poll. Counting from the other direction, Trump remained unchanged at third place from last. The changes were relatively small (one or two places), apart from Obama, who moved up six places (14%) to eleventh place, in the first quartile. Notable shifts among earlier presidents included the continuing rehabilitation of Lyndon Johnson, up 8 places into the first quartile, and of Ulysses Grant, up 3 places (up 8 in the individual evaluations) into the second quartile; and the lessening appreciation of Andrew Jackson, down 4 places to the median (down 7, into the third quartile, in the individual evaluations); Ronald Reagan, down 5 places, remaining in the second quartile; and Zachary Taylor, down 6 places into the fourth quartile.[43]

Abbreviations

Bg = Background (family, education, experience)

Im = Imagination

Int = Integrity

IQ = Intelligence

L = Luck

WR = Willing to take risks

AC = Ability to compromise

EAb = Executive ability

LA = Leadership ability

CAb = Communication ability (speak, write)

OA = Overall ability

PL = Party leadership

RC = Relationship with Congress

CAp = Court appointments

HE = Handling of U.S. economy

EAp = Executive appointments

DA = Domestic accomplishments

FPA = Foreign policy accomplishments

AM = Avoiding crucial mistakes

PV = Present overall view [the average ranking of the polled experts][i]

O = Overall rank [the average of the individual parameters][j]

2019 Tillery–Greer

In May 2019, Alvin Tillery of the Center for the Study of Diversity and Democracy at Northwestern University and Christina Greer of Fordham University "conducted a poll of 113 academic researchers and asked them to rate the 14 modern presidents on both their overall leadership and rhetoric on diversity and inclusion using a scale ranging from 0 to 100. Survey respondents were significantly more liberal than the national average, "with only 13 percent of the respondents describing themselves as either moderate, slightly conservative, or conservative."[

2010 Gallup poll

Gallup poll taken on November 19–21, 2010, asked 1,037 Americans to say, based on what they know or remember about the nine most recent former presidents, whether they approve or disapprove of how each handled his job in office.

1.     John F. Kennedy (85% approval/10% disapproval)

2.    Ronald Reagan (74% approval/24% disapproval)

3.    Bill Clinton (69% approval/30% disapproval)

4.    George H. W. Bush (64% approval/34% disapproval)

5.    Gerald Ford (61% approval/26% disapproval)

6.    Jimmy Carter (52% approval/42% disapproval)

7.    Lyndon B. Johnson (49% approval/36% disapproval)

8.    George W. Bush (47% approval/51% disapproval)

9.    Richard Nixon (29% approval/65% disapproval)

2011 Vision Critical/Angus Reid Public Opinion poll

Vision Critical/Angus Reid Public Opinion poll taken on February 18–19, 2011, asked 1,010 respondents about 11 former presidents plus the current president and whether each was a good or bad president.

1.     John F. Kennedy (80% approval/6% disapproval)

2.    Ronald Reagan (72% approval/16% disapproval)

3.    Bill Clinton (65% approval/24% disapproval)

4.    Dwight D. Eisenhower (61% approval/6% disapproval)

5.    Harry S. Truman (57% approval/7% disapproval)

6.    Jimmy Carter (47% approval/28% disapproval)

7.    George H. W. Bush (44% approval/38% disapproval)

8.    Barack Obama (41% approval/33% disapproval)

9.    Gerald Ford (37% approval/25% disapproval)

10. Lyndon B. Johnson (33% approval/27% disapproval)

11.  George W. Bush (30% approval/55% disapproval)

12. Richard Nixon (24% approval/54% disapproval)

 

2011 Public Policy Polling poll

Public Policy Polling poll taken between September 8–11, 2011, asked 665 American voters whether they held favorable or unfavorable views of how each of the nine most recent former presidents performed their job

John F. Kennedy (74% favorability/15% unfavorability)

1.     Ronald Reagan (60% favorability/30% unfavorability)

2.    Bill Clinton (62% favorability/34% unfavorability)

3.    George H. W. Bush (53% favorability/35% unfavorability)

4.    Gerald Ford (45% favorability/26% unfavorability)

5.    Jimmy Carter (45% favorability/43% unfavorability)

6.    Lyndon B. Johnson (36% favorability/39% unfavorability)

7.    George W. Bush (41% favorability/51% unfavorability)

8.    Richard Nixon (19% favorability/62% unfavorability)

2014 Quinnipiac poll

Quinnipiac University poll taken June 24–30, 2014, asked 1,446 American registered voters who they believed were the best and worst presidents since World War II.

Best president since World War II:

1.     Ronald Reagan (35%)

2.    Bill Clinton (18%)

3.    John F. Kennedy (15%)

4.    Barack Obama (8%)

5.    Dwight Eisenhower (5%)

6.    Harry S. Truman (4%)

7.    Lyndon B. Johnson (tie) (3%)

7.    George H. W. Bush (tie) (3%)

9.    Jimmy Carter (2%)

10. Richard Nixon (tie) (1%)

10. Gerald Ford (tie) (1%)

10. George W. Bush (tie) (1%)

 

Worst president since World War II:

1.     Barack Obama (33%)

2.    George W. Bush (28%)

3.    Richard Nixon (13%)

4.    Jimmy Carter (8%)

5.    Lyndon B. Johnson (tie) (3%)

5.    Ronald Reagan (tie) (3%)

5.    Bill Clinton (tie) (3%)

8.    Gerald Ford (tie) (2%)

8.    George H. W. Bush (tie) (2%)

10. Dwight Eisenhower (1%)

11.  Harry S. Truman (tie) (<1%)

11.  John F. Kennedy (tie) (<1%)

 

Sadly, that is not even the complete list of surveys, but here is my suggestion:

The Presidential Greatness Project, a partnership of Jusin Vaughn and Brandon Rottinghhaus.

It was mentioned in the first presidential debate of 2024.

https://presidentialgreatnessproject.com/

 

Justin Vaughn, Ph.D., is a professor of political science at Coastal Carolina University. A scholar of American politics and culture, particularly the American presidency, he has published several books, including "Czars in the White House" (University of Michigan Press, 2015) and "Women & the White House" (University of Kentucky Press, 2012), which received the Popular Culture Association’s Susan Koppelman Award and the SWPACA’s Peter Rollins Award. He is also the founder and co-director of the Presidential Greatness Project and co-editor of the Journal of Political Science. His work on Presidential Greatness has been mentioned by sitting presidents and covered internationally, including by the New York Times, BBC, NPR, CNN, CBS, Politico, and Newsweek. He earned his Ph.D. in political science at Texas A&M University.

 

Brandon Rottinghaus is a Professor in the Department of Political Science at the University of Houston.  He holds a Ph.D. in political science from Northwestern University.  His teaching and research interests include the presidency, political scandals, public opinion, and Texas politics. He is the author of the books Inside Texas PoliticsCurrent Debates in the Lone Star StateInside American Government (all Oxford University Press), Rick Perry:  A Political Life (University of Texas Press), and Scandal:  How Politicians Survive Controversy in a Polarized Era (Columbia University Press).  He is the co-director of the Presidential Greatness Project.  He is the co-host of Party Politics, a PBS TV8 program, radio show, and podcast on Houston Public Media, a political analyst for KHOU 11 in Houston, and the creator and host of Texperts, a political primer podcast and radio segment on Hello Houston on Houston Public Media.  

Education

Ph.D., Northwestern University
M.A., Northwestern University
B.A., Purdue University

 

To save you time, skip the mechanics of the survey, and just look at the final results.

Like many surveys, it ranks Lincoln at the top, closely followed by FDR.

If you just look at the presidents who were elected after the year I was born (1947) , here is the summary:

Truman - #5

Obama - #6

Ike - #7

LBJ - #8

JFK - #9

Clinton - # 11

Biden - # 14

Reagan - #16

Bush 1 - #19

Carter - #22

Ford - #27

Bush 2 - #30

Nixon - #33

Trump - #45

I’m not saying that my opinion is right, but at least it is an informed opinion.

I normally read 4 newspapers a day, I read about 50 books a year, I have read roughly 25 books about Trump, and the only thing we watch on Fox is sporting events.

Our new neighbor in New Mexico has a Trump flag in his garage, but he is actually a pretty decent guy.

Even though it is hard sometimes, It is best to simply accept the fact that he has the right to his opinion – and I have the right to mine.